Moving Testimony of Donor-Conceived Child Raised by Two Lesbian Moms

September 18, 2015

by Maggie Gallagher


Ryan Anderson was speaking in Australia when he pulled out a surprise guest speaker, 23-year-old Millie Fontana, who spoke for many other children raised without fathers, who are silenced or told they are homophobic for noticing what they have lost:

I am a donor-conceived child of lesbian parents. I stand here with the support of all three of my parents. This is a testimony that it is, safe to say, unheard of because nobody wants to hear about the other side of the rainbow. . .

Growing up, I wanted a father.

I felt it within me that I was missing a father before I could even articulate what a father was. I knew that I loved both of my parents, but I could not place my finger on what it is I was missing inside myself. . .I was lied to throughout school; I was told I didn’t have a father. . .it was very difficult for me to affirm a stable identity because of this. And my behavioral and emotional stability suffered greatly because of it.

I stand here before you raised atheist, with no religious affiliations.

I stand with Christians because so far in this debate, Christians are the only people trying to reflect the issues that follow with children.  Christians so far are the only people trying to shine light on stories like mine.

Nobody in the LGBT lobby wants to hear from someone like me. Because so far ‘love is love’ right?  We don’t exist.

Maggie Gallagher is a senior fellow at American Principles in Action.


Maggie Gallagher is a senior fellow at the American Principles Project.

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114 comments on “Moving Testimony of Donor-Conceived Child Raised by Two Lesbian Moms”

  • kate says:

    Hi, i was married for 5 years without having a child, my husband got angry at me and wanted to get a divorce, i was so confuse because i don’t want to lose my marriage, i went to see a Doctor and i was told that i have EGG problem that i cannot have a baby, i cried all day and my marriage was really dying gradually.
    so one morning as i was browsing through the internet i saw a post on how on how A woman payed for an EGG Donor from infertility home, i was so desperate of it and i contacted the organization through their Email, and i was told me that if i apply for An EGG donor and they will do the transplant for me, i did as they told me though the money they ask for was much but i didn’t bother about the money all i was after was the EGG donor so that i can have my own babies. finally i did the transplant and as i speak to you right now i am a mother with 4 children. i am so so happy for what infertility home have done for me. if there is any one out there who is also in such condition, you can contact they organization for help through their Email: infertilityhome@yahoo.com i am so happy and my marriage is going on so well.

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  • kate says:

    Hi, i was married for 5 years without having a child, my husband got angry at me and wanted to get a divorce, i was so confuse because i don’t want to lose my marriage, i went to see a Doctor and i was told that i have EGG problem that i cannot have a baby, i cried all day and my marriage was really dying gradually.
    so one morning as i was browsing through the internet i saw a post on how on how A woman payed for an EGG Donor from infertility home, i was so desperate of it and i contacted the organization through their Email, and i was told me that if i apply for An EGG donor and they will do the transplant for me, i did as they told me though the money they ask for was much but i didn’t bother about the money all i was after was the EGG donor so that i can have my own babies. finally i did the transplant and as i speak to you right now i am a mother with 4 children. i am so so happy for what infertility home have done for me. if there is any one out there who is also in such condition, you can contact they organization for help through their Email: infertilityhome@yahoo.com i am so happy and my marriage is going on so well.

  • AnitaJones2 says:

    DO YOU NEED HELP TO BRING BACK YOUR LESBIAN OR GAY PARTNER?
     I want to thank Dr Ken for bringing back my lesbian partner, we broke up for more than 4 month and she told me that she never want to see me in her life again. i love her so much to the extend that i could not do any thing again, i was confused and depress due to the love i had for her. i did everything i could do to have her come back to me but all went in vain. so i decided to contact a spell caster, i did not believe in spell casting i just wanted to give it a try, may be it would work out for me. i contacted Dr Ken for help, He told me that he have to cast a love spell on her, i told him to start it. after 3 days my sweet lesbian lover called me and started to apologize for leaving me and also she told me that she still love me. i was very happy and i thank Dr Ken for helping me get back my ex lesbian lover to my hands. His spell is the the greatest all over the world, it was the love spell he cast on my ex that made her come back to me. All you ladies and guys who want their ex partners back should contact Dr Ken for help with the following email address and get all your problem solve. No problem is too big for him to solve. Contact him direct at  or  or view through his website and Contact him there: http://supersolutionhome.webs.com/ His phone number +2348074433380. Thanks to DR. KEN. He’s one of the few genuine ones out there. I can attest to that.

    DO YOU NEED HELP TO BRING BACK YOUR LESBIAN OR GAY PARTNER?
     I want to thank Dr Ken for bringing back my lesbian partner, we broke up for more than 4 month and she told me that she never want to see me in her life again. i love her so much to the extend that i could not do any thing again, i was confused and depress due to the love i had for her. i did everything i could do to have her come back to me but all went in vain. so i decided to contact a spell caster, i did not believe in spell casting i just wanted to give it a try, may be it would work out for me. i contacted Dr Ken for help, He told me that he have to cast a love spell on her, i told him to start it. after 3 days my sweet lesbian lover called me and started to apologize for leaving me and also she told me that she still love me. i was very happy and i thank Dr Ken for helping me get back my ex lesbian lover to my hands. His spell is the the greatest all over the world, it was the love spell he cast on my ex that made her come back to me. All you ladies and guys who want their ex partners back should contact Dr Ken for help with the following email address and get all your problem solve. No problem is too big for him to solve. Contact him direct at  or  or view through his website and Contact him there: http://supersolutionhome.webs.com/ His phone number +2348074433380. Thanks to DR. KEN. He’s one of the few genuine ones out there. I can attest to that.

  • AnitaJones2 says:

    DO YOU NEED HELP TO BRING BACK YOUR LESBIAN OR GAY PARTNER?
     I want to thank Dr Ken for bringing back my lesbian partner, we broke up for more than 4 month and she told me that she never want to see me in her life again. i love her so much to the extend that i could not do any thing again, i was confused and depress due to the love i had for her. i did everything i could do to have her come back to me but all went in vain. so i decided to contact a spell caster, i did not believe in spell casting i just wanted to give it a try, may be it would work out for me. i contacted Dr Ken for help, He told me that he have to cast a love spell on her, i told him to start it. after 3 days my sweet lesbian lover called me and started to apologize for leaving me and also she told me that she still love me. i was very happy and i thank Dr Ken for helping me get back my ex lesbian lover to my hands. His spell is the the greatest all over the world, it was the love spell he cast on my ex that made her come back to me. All you ladies and guys who want their ex partners back should contact Dr Ken for help with the following email address and get all your problem solve. No problem is too big for him to solve. Contact him direct at  or  or view through his website and Contact him there: http://supersolutionhome.webs.com/ His phone number +2348074433380. Thanks to DR. KEN. He’s one of the few genuine ones out there. I can attest to that.

  • donor conceived says:

    donor conceived 
    “Family Ties: A Catholic Response to Donor-Conceived Families”
    http://cb.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/2/181.full

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 LeilaMiller 
    BUT it might become even more widely used if “marriage equality” leads to this:

    http://www.cbc-network.org/2015/07/this-week-in-bioethics-25/
    One week ago today the United States Supreme Court legalized same-sex
    marriage in all fifty states. The push for “marriage equality” has now
    resulted in demands for “family equality.” In this special edition of
    This Week in Bioethics, we alert you to the top five things you need to
    know about the movement for “Family Equality.”
    1. There is no right to “Family Equality”
    In the aftermath of the Supreme Court decision, legal scholar Douglas
    NeJaime was one of the first to call for “family equality” in ahttp://www.cbc-network.org/2015/06/what-justice-kennedy-failed-to-mention/.
    The push for “family equality” is a dangerous invention of a concept.
    There is no right to “family equality” in the United States
    Constitution—or elsewhere. Like many folks who use the language of
    “rights,” NeJaime is merely using a false concept to push for his
    desires. We’re pulling back the curtain to expose the truth.
    2. “Family Equality” Requires Eggsploitation
    The idea of “family equality” will require that women’s bodies are
    preyed upon by gay men for their eggs. How’s that for equal rights?
    Advocates of “family equality” fail to mention that there are real,
    serious, and potentially life-threatening harms for the health of young
    women if they choose to sell their eggs. Furthermore, There is little to
    no peer-reviewed medical research on the long-term safety effects of
    egg procurement on the health of the young women who provide their eggs,
    making informed consent impossible! Don’t believe me? http://www.eggsploitation.com for yourselves.
    3. “Family Equality” Means Children Lose Biological Ties
    “Family equality” will require that we forever diminish the
    significance of our biological ties, as it will depend on the practice
    of anonymous gamete donation. So much for the children who long to know
    and be known by their biological parents! Farewell to the idea that
    biology matters—even for the sake of knowing one’s medical history.
    According to this notion, “family equality” must also come at the
    sacrifice of the http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/20/sperm-and-egg-donation-foster-technology-induced-child-slavery/ How’s that for equality?
    4. “Family Equality” Exploits Women as Breeders.
    “Family equality” will require surrogate mothers who will be used and
    who will be reduced to a subclass of women. Those that advocate for
    “family equality” do so under the banner of providing “equal treatment”
    to gay men. Yet their “equal treatment” would come at the expense of the
    surrogate mother. Unequal treatment is at the very heart of the
    practice of surrogacy. The surrogate mother is reduced to a mere carrier
    or vessel for those desiring a child.
    5. The Movement for “Family Equality” Can Be Defeated
    Earlier this week, New Jersey Governor http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/06/christie_again_vetoes_bill_regulating_surrogate_pa.html
    in New Jersey that would have legalized commercial surrogacy in the
    state. In his veto remarks, he noted that “I do not support the
    establishment of a new system of child-birth that places a legally
    binding agreement between a woman, and the child she is carrying.” The
    Center for Bioethics and Culture has worked to secure back-to-back
    vetoes in 2013 and 2014 from Louisiana Governor Jindal to prevent
    surrogacy in that state. We’ve worked to stop surrogacy legislation in
    Minnesota in 2013 and 2014. And now we’re seeing this second veto of a
    surrogacy bill in New Jersey. The stakes, however, have never been
    higher. http://www.cbc-network.org/donate/ to defeat “family equality” now.

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 LeilaMiller 
    It bothers me that he just mentions the use of ‘surrogacy’ by the LGBT
    community.  This is used just as much by heterosexuals but more so with
    IM egg/IF sperm and rented womb.  ‘Traditional surrogacy’, a woman hired
    to be impregnated with her own egg and an IF sperm is discouraged but
    still practiced.  These two ‘traditional surrogate’ conceived adults
    were raised by married heterosexuals….http://sonofasurrogate.tripod.com/, http://theothersideofsurrogacy.blogspot.com/.  This, none of this, started with the LGBT community.  Heterosexuals paved the way.

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 LeilaMiller 
    Why I Support #StopSurrogacyNow
    —By Gary Powell, LGBT activist, public administration campaigner, and original signer of the http://www.stopsurrogacynow.com/the-statement/, United Kingdom.
    As a gay man, and as a campaigner for LGBT civil rights for over thirty
    years, I am very concerned that the gay and lesbian community should not
    view the availability of surrogacy arrangements as a progression in
    LGBT equality or rights. Whilst I am a strong supporter of approved gay
    and lesbian couples being able to adopt children, it is my view that the
    potential of surrogacy arrangements to cause significant physical and
    psychological harm to some egg donors and to some surrogate mothers, and
    to cause significant psychological harm to some children brought into
    the world as a result of this process, are aspects to which far too
    little consideration is given by those who advocate surrogacy or who
    seek surrogacy arrangements for themselves.
    Read more:http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=854a02957234313d134e9865d&id=a61caee301&e=%5BUNIQID%5D#awesomeshare

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 LeilaMiller 
    To all Catholics here:
    Did you know this? “Even more disturbing was that 36% of donor offspring were born into and
    raised by Catholic families (compared to 22% from adoptive families, and
    28% by their biological parents). It is troubling because the Church
    clearly teaches that such practices of artificial insemination which
    substitute for the conjugal act are morally wrong. Marriage and family
    are the authentic context for the procreation and raising of children” http://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=37096
    And read what a Catholic blogger wrote here about her (and her husband’s) used of ‘donor’ sperm:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ravishly/infertility-the-cold-hard-no-but-really-truth_b_8085820.html
    Then read this: “”Method
    of conception does not affect dignity There’s a need for the Catholic
    Church to welcome children conceived via third-party reproduction”
    http://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=37096
    THIS
    ISN’T JUST A GAY ‘MARRIAGE’ ISSUE.   It’s much bigger than you
    realize.  The focus needs to be redirected inwards as well as outwards.

  • donor conceived says:

    To all Catholics here:
    Did you know this? “Even more disturbing was that 36% of donor offspring were born into and
    raised by Catholic families (compared to 22% from adoptive families, and
    28% by their biological parents). It is troubling because the Church
    clearly teaches that such practices of artificial insemination which
    substitute for the conjugal act are morally wrong. Marriage and family
    are the authentic context for the procreation and raising of children” http://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=37096
    And read what a Catholic blogger wrote here about her (and her husband’s) used of ‘donor’ sperm:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ravishly/infertility-the-cold-hard-no-but-really-truth_b_8085820.html
    Then read this: “”Method
    of conception does not affect dignity There’s a need for the Catholic
    Church to welcome children conceived via third-party reproduction”
    http://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=37096
    THIS ISN’T JUST A GAY ‘MARRIAGE’ ISSUE.   It’s much bigger than you realize.  The focus needs to be redirected inwards as well as outwards.

  • donor conceived says:

    KarenFriedl The Marriage Reality Movement seeks to “reintroduce” marriage to a
    culture that has forgotten its meaning, providing a bedrock of truth for
    our children and our world.http://www.takebackmarriage.org/

  • donor conceived says:

    It bothers me that he just mentions the use of ‘surrogacy’ by the LGBT community.  This is used just as much by heterosexuals but more so with IM egg/IF sperm and rented womb.  ‘Traditional surrogacy’, a woman hired to be impregnated with her own egg and an IF sperm is discouraged but still practiced.  These two ‘traditional surrogate’ conceived adults were raised by married heterosexuals….http://sonofasurrogate.tripod.com/, http://theothersideofsurrogacy.blogspot.com/.  This, none of this, started with the LGBT community.  Heterosexuals paved the way.

  • KarenFriedl says:

    Raising children is a huge responsibility and should be taken as a great honor to help cultivate the future society. Children are by the creators design the result of two distinct humans becoming one new person. Thus the term marriage.

  • donor conceived says:

    Why I Support #StopSurrogacyNow
    —By Gary Powell, LGBT activist, public administration campaigner, and original signer of the http://www.stopsurrogacynow.com/the-statement/, United Kingdom.
    As a gay man, and as a campaigner for LGBT civil rights for over thirty
    years, I am very concerned that the gay and lesbian community should not
    view the availability of surrogacy arrangements as a progression in
    LGBT equality or rights. Whilst I am a strong supporter of approved gay
    and lesbian couples being able to adopt children, it is my view that the
    potential of surrogacy arrangements to cause significant physical and
    psychological harm to some egg donors and to some surrogate mothers, and
    to cause significant psychological harm to some children brought into
    the world as a result of this process, are aspects to which far too
    little consideration is given by those who advocate surrogacy or who
    seek surrogacy arrangements for themselves.
    Read more:
    http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=854a02957234313d134e9865d&id=a61caee301&e=%5BUNIQID%5D#awesomeshare

  • donor conceived says:

    http://www.cbc-network.org/2015/07/this-week-in-bioethics-25/
    One week ago today the United States Supreme Court legalized same-sex
    marriage in all fifty states. The push for “marriage equality” has now
    resulted in demands for “family equality.” In this special edition of
    This Week in Bioethics, we alert you to the top five things you need to
    know about the movement for “Family Equality.”
    1. There is no right to “Family Equality”
    In the aftermath of the Supreme Court decision, legal scholar Douglas
    NeJaime was one of the first to call for “family equality” in ahttp://www.cbc-network.org/2015/06/what-justice-kennedy-failed-to-mention/.
    The push for “family equality” is a dangerous invention of a concept.
    There is no right to “family equality” in the United States
    Constitution—or elsewhere. Like many folks who use the language of
    “rights,” NeJaime is merely using a false concept to push for his
    desires. We’re pulling back the curtain to expose the truth.
    2. “Family Equality” Requires Eggsploitation
    The idea of “family equality” will require that women’s bodies are
    preyed upon by gay men for their eggs. How’s that for equal rights?
    Advocates of “family equality” fail to mention that there are real,
    serious, and potentially life-threatening harms for the health of young
    women if they choose to sell their eggs. Furthermore, There is little to
    no peer-reviewed medical research on the long-term safety effects of
    egg procurement on the health of the young women who provide their eggs,
    making informed consent impossible! Don’t believe me? http://www.eggsploitation.com for yourselves.
    3. “Family Equality” Means Children Lose Biological Ties
    “Family equality” will require that we forever diminish the
    significance of our biological ties, as it will depend on the practice
    of anonymous gamete donation. So much for the children who long to know
    and be known by their biological parents! Farewell to the idea that
    biology matters—even for the sake of knowing one’s medical history.
    According to this notion, “family equality” must also come at the
    sacrifice of the http://thefederalist.com/2014/11/20/sperm-and-egg-donation-foster-technology-induced-child-slavery/ How’s that for equality?
    4. “Family Equality” Exploits Women as Breeders.
    “Family equality” will require surrogate mothers who will be used and
    who will be reduced to a subclass of women. Those that advocate for
    “family equality” do so under the banner of providing “equal treatment”
    to gay men. Yet their “equal treatment” would come at the expense of the
    surrogate mother. Unequal treatment is at the very heart of the
    practice of surrogacy. The surrogate mother is reduced to a mere carrier
    or vessel for those desiring a child.
    5. The Movement for “Family Equality” Can Be Defeated
    Earlier this week, New Jersey Governor http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/06/christie_again_vetoes_bill_regulating_surrogate_pa.html
    in New Jersey that would have legalized commercial surrogacy in the
    state. In his veto remarks, he noted that “I do not support the
    establishment of a new system of child-birth that places a legally
    binding agreement between a woman, and the child she is carrying.” The
    Center for Bioethics and Culture has worked to secure back-to-back
    vetoes in 2013 and 2014 from Louisiana Governor Jindal to prevent
    surrogacy in that state. We’ve worked to stop surrogacy legislation in
    Minnesota in 2013 and 2014. And now we’re seeing this second veto of a
    surrogacy bill in New Jersey. The stakes, however, have never been
    higher. http://www.cbc-network.org/donate/ to defeat “family equality” now.

  • caritasveritas says:

    Blame your lack of identity on not having a father? Does every child of a single household do that? It wasn’t enough to have two mothers who loved you?

  • donor conceived says:

    donor conceived sureparc 
    ·Children and adults conceived
    via sperm ‘donors’ have expressed a deep sense of disenfranchised grief, “a grief
    which is: not recognized and supported by the community…The mourners whose
    grief is disenfranchised are, by virtue of this, cut off from the social
    supports and so have few opportunities to express and resolve their
    feelings…either the relationship is not recognized, the loss is not recognized
    or the griever is not recognized…significant losses can occur even when the
    object of the loss is still alive.”(https://www.donorsiblingregistry.com/sites/default/files/files/rose_fromabundle.PDF)

  • donor conceived says:

    sureparc And that’s all you’ll allow yourself to hear?  Ungrateful, love is all you need?

  • jk105 says:

    dsimon64 jk105 LeilaMiller Yes, she has been promiscuously dodging the far more common emotional abuse of gay children by heterosexual parents.

  • dsimon64 says:

    jk105 LeilaMiller Well, OF COURSE she is obsessed with gay parents!  Isn’t that quite obvious?
    ANY parent who messes with his or her child’s well being by inculcating feelings of inadequecy should be ashamed!  And that applies whether it is a straight child of gay parents (like the woman in this article), or a gay child of straight parents (where, let’s be honest, such emotional abuse is FAR MORE COMMON, but left unmentioned by these lousy “Christians”.)

  • dsimon64 says:

    April0402 – Ignoring for the moment your nearly incomprehensible comments (I will assume that English is not your first language), I strongly suspect that the “facts” presented in your post are complete and utter BS.

  • jk105 says:

    LeilaMiller jk105 Actually you have deflected plenty.   Your blog tells your story–and it answers a lot of questions–however, you did not specifically address the points I made on this site.

    In fact, you deflected from my point that Millie Old Girl wanted me beaten with a rubber hose, yet I was the one you criticized for sarcasm.  Case in point!   That deflection says a lot about you.

    anonymous.org is the best you can do–talk about dubious! Thousands of children from same-sex parents speak out in favor of their families.   Millie and your anonymous posts are outliers.  You exploit them to denigrate gay people.   Very sad.

  • LeilaMiller says:

    jk105, thank you. That answers a lot of questions. My story is public and has been for years:

    http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2012/11/this-is-my-story-it-might-be-your-story.html

    Where I stand on every issue of morality can be found in the Catechism. I deflect nothing. :)

    Yes, I thanked her and do thank her for courageously telling her story. Many others tell their stories, some anonymously so as not to hurt the parents they love, on anonymousus.org.

  • jk105 says:

    LeilaMiller jk105 Perhaps you can’t read.  Millie Old Girl was the one wishing I was beaten with a rubber  hose.  My sarcasm was a response to her violent fantasies.    And yet, you didn’t criticize her.  In fact you thanked her!  That’s very telling. 

    In fact, you have promiscuously deflected from all my posts.   You clearly have the deep wounds, obsessing on gay couples.   

    What’s my story?  I am happily same-sex married.  It was a marriage performed in my church, by my pastor in front of friends, family and congregants.  My story?   I don’t silently suffer people denigrating my marriage or my humanity.  

    What’s your story?   Why do you promiscuously deflect?   Or can’t you read?

  • LeilaMiller says:

    jk105, perhaps you can’t read? Her parents all support her in this endeavor. And the “research” you cite is highly dubious, to say the least. 

    You clearly have deep wounds, since you have to resort to sarcasm and mocking. What’s your story?

  • jk105 says:

    LeilaMiller Doug_mmm milliefontanafoxx Although you neglect to add that many more children from such families actually respect their parents, not the same with Millie Old Girl, who blames her mothers for the fact that she can’t find a relationship.   Research shows that children with same-sex parents wind up being just as emotionally stable as those with opposite-sex parents. Millie might want to look within herself, rather than blame her parents for her own shortcomings.  Worse, she allows herself to be exploited by people who are using her to deny gay people their religious liberty and constitutional rights.  She disrespects her parents.

  • jk105 says:

    LeilaMiller jk105
    I take your promiscuous deflections to be acknowledgment on your part that you are obsessed with gay couples.  

    Injustice and “natural” are your words, not mine.  I have empathy for all donor-conceived humans in the same way I have empathy for all adopted children who don’t know their biological parents.  This woman was raised in a loving home in a wonderful natural relationship.  I would  not characterize her life as an injustice.   In fact, the real injustice is the way the Right Wing Heritage Foundation is exploiting her private personal crisis for their own anti-gay hate campaign.

    Again, why do you keep deflecting?  Why are you obsessed with loving sale-sex marriages?

  • LeilaMiller says:

    jk105, So you agree that what happened to this woman was an injustice and a violation of her natural right to be born to her mother and father? Yes?

  • LeilaMiller says:

    Doug_mmm , I agree. milliefontanafoxx, thank you for your courage. I have many friends who have shared  your story on Facebook. Please keep talking; your voice needs to be heard!

  • jk105 says:

    JeanClink jk105 donor conceived Quite the contrary!  But first of all, let’s be clear–they are adults, not children, speaking about their childhood.   I never tell people they have to be quiet.   I dare you to quote me ever specifically stating that.  I never advocated censoring and denying anyone the right to publish a story.   However, they have absolutely no right to put themselves above criticism. I have the same right to speak out and publish stories that criticize what they have to say.

    Is that clear?

    You have me convinced that you disagree with what I have to say.  Be specific in what you disagree with.  I am quite direct in my words. Please don’t twist my words into saying something I never meant.  That is, these people have a right to speak.  And I have the same right to respond.

  • JeanClink says:

    jk105 donor conceived I have been reading your posts and you convince me that you think these children should be quiet and that no one should publish their stories.

  • sureparc says:

    Seriously? She was loved and that is more than a lot of people have.

  • jk105 says:

    milliefontanafoxx jk105 Cut from the same stone as you, Doll Face.

  • milliefontanafoxx says:

    jk105 Hahaha, ahh.. You’re such a gem. :’)

  • jk105 says:

    milliefontanafoxx jk105

    That’s the usual response to someone telling the truth!

  • jk105 says:

    LeilaMiller jk105
    No, I am speaking out about the way her story is selectively being used to tar and feather same-sex marriage.   Heterosexual and homosexual both use artificial methods.  I have a problem with that method of child birth, but not only when a gay couple uses it.

    Although I would also mention that thousands of children who are raised in such situations have spoken out in support of their families.   The pain this woman feels is her own and she shouldn’t project it onto others, let alone children raised in same sex marriages.

    Research overwhelmingly shows children raised by same-sex couples are happy and well adjusted.  The only injustice comes when people use the brute force of government to deny gay people their religious liberty and constitutional right to marriage.  

    You initially dodged my question.  So I don’t stand corrected because I was correct.
    Your article obsessed on gay couples.   You selectively denigrate gay couples.  So I don’t stand corrected because I was correct.

  • milliefontanafoxx says:

    jk105 Good thing I’m not a Christian. 
    Someone should have taken you out back and beaten you with a rubber hose a long time ago.

  • LeilaMiller says:

    jk105, I oppose anyone or any method of creating a child that would, from the outset, purposely design a child to be motherless or fatherless. I am on record in my writings for years saying just that. Homosexual or heterosexual. So, you stand corrected now. 

    You are against gay couples using surrogates and IVF or even “friends” as donors to have a child? Then you should be lauding the bravery of this woman for speaking about her loss, that was planned for her by the adults in her life. 

    I can’t tell if you are supporting her for speaking out about that injustice or not? I’m going to assume that you are, but your comments have a weird way of showing it.

  • jk105 says:

    LeilaMiller jk105
    So in other words, you dodge the question.  

    Where is *your* outrage when children are deprived of their mother or their father by the choice of adults, even before the child’s conception? 

    It is wrong when anyone does it, heterosexual or homosexual.  This article–and you–only selectively criticize it when it is gay parents.

    I have no problem answering directly.  You certainly do.

  • LeilaMiller says:

    jk105, Sorry, let’s focus on the topic at hand: Where is *your* outrage when children are deprived of their mother or their father by the choice of adults, even before the child’s conception? Do you care at all? Or should the children be silent? That is what this article and discussion is about. Do you believe they should shut up, or should they have a voice and be respected? Answer directly, please.

  • jk105 says:

    LeilaMiller
    Actually I thank God for the courage of the millions of gay youth who dare to speak out against the planned depravation of their heterosexual mothers and fathers who tell them “sit down and shut up” and “just be grateful you are alive.”  

    Why don’t you write about that?  
    Very sad.

  • jk105 says:

    April0402 I can’t comment on your “observations”, but testimony of millions of gay people says that heterosexual parents continually assume and harass their children to be heterosexual, even when the child is gay.   Now of the trauma caused by this abuse gets addressed by you in your comment on any comments below.    Why only mention the very few instances of bad gay parents?   You are quite selective in your outrage.

  • April0402 says:

    I comment based in children of same sex parents. The children are adopted. The men couple have a little girl and women couple have boys. These children are stripped of their identity. The little boy is told to only play with boys. And same with girl. These are children that should be allowed to mix and mingle. Not learn who they are. Not brain washed into being like the adopted parents. When we told the one parent we could not give special screening of child, they child was withdrawn. The older children suffer a great deal and become embarrassed if parents. As I child care provider I have seen how children are effected. The one boy at age of 16 ran away with carnival in town because of the parents and the choices taken by them. It’s a rough time, and parents should b screened but ?

  • LeilaMiller says:

    Thank God for her courage. As evidenced by many of the unfortunate comments here, the children who dare to speak out against what was a planned depravation of their mother or father, are told to “sit down and shut up” and “just be grateful you are alive”! It happens over and over again. Very sad.

  • KeithPatton1 says:

    Yeah, because self-selective “scientific studies” somehow override millions of years of evolution.
    That study came from the same scientific journal that the self-selected billionaires who reported on how much more charitable and how much more taxes they paid than the rest of the population– therefore we shouldn’t discriminate against the super rich, right?
    Sorry, but self-selective studies aren’t taken very seriously in the scientific community. Thsee “studies” are more about media propaganda than hard science.

  • jk105 says:

    @Hope Poor Abnormally Hopeless!  You vomit up a lot of accusations, but you fail to cite any of the “studies”or “scientists” you refer to.
    Why so paranoid?  Never saw such a group of insecure people?  Try looking in a mirror.

  • Hope says:

    Are those the same scientists who are mot allowed to research the cause of this abnormality.?? Who are fired if they report the facts on the increase of certain “diseases” in the gay community. Why are they so threatened by facts. Why does everything have to be 100% possitive or WATCH OUT… There is no room for anyones experiences or opinions or even science unless it is what they want to hear. Never saw such a group of insecure people.

  • L_Dave says:

    jk105 donor conceived Alice Lung 
    A real scientist would report the results and not take a stand on whether same-sex marriage is legal.

  • jk105 says:

    GabrielaPedroza jk105 Alice Lung

    Although I am morally repelled by her disgusting bigotry, I would never use the brute force of government to deny her marriage rights.  I am light-years more tolerant than You and La Lung!  

    Meanwhile, I do not have to silently suffer your (or La Lung’s) denigration of my humanity any more than blacks need to be punching bags for racists.  I need not tolerate the intolerable.  The days of putting up with your abuse is over.  Thank you, Jesus!!!

  • jk105 says:

    Alice Lung Your obsession with anal sex says a lot about you! 

    Since you led us to this path, the sex you want to have includes using an orifice that secretes blood and urine!

  • GabrielaPedroza says:

    jk105 Alice Lung Don’t have to! You just proved her point: those in the “gay” community and its supporters are harshly intolerant of any point of view and would like for her to “just be quiet”. Thank you for your contribution!

  • Alice Lung says:

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdc-gay-men-make-up-only-2-of-us-but-63-of-all-new-aids-cases
    According to WHO, there is no safe anal sex, only safer anal sex.
    Anal sex is unnatural because the human rectum is not designed for sex, but for defecation. Many bacteria live there.

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 donor conceived Chuckle, yes I noticed that but I didn’t want to say anything because I didn’t want to be “snarky” ;)

  • jk105 says:

    Alice Lung More demented musing oozing out of the damaged mind of La Lung!

    First, you dodge my point:  The UN does not oppose same-sex marriage. In fact, the UN officially recognizes same-sex marriages from countries where such marriages are legal.  
    You lied! 

    Sex between a same-sex couple is a natural expression of love between homosexuals.  You reduce “natural” to baby-making machinery.  That is not the only thing that makes sex “natural.”  

    All sex is dangerous if it is not done safely.

  • jk105 says:

    donor conceived jk105

    My only point is that it is snarky, not that the kid wasn’t entitled to use it.  Please! Have you read some of my posts?  I am not beyond being snarky myself.

  • Alice Lung says:

    Sex between a man and a woman is natural because it can create a new life. However, sex between a same-sex couple can never create anything. So it can’t be natural. Furthermore, anal sex is dangerous. It leads to serious health problems.

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 donor conceived Well, obviously not all Christian’s think alike on this subject.  I can’t speak to that because I am not (necessarily) “Christian”.

    The phase “Dr. Frankenstein” is a metaphor to be taken in context with the message of his song.  It’s creative expression that isn’t directed towards anyone in particular – only the practice of industrialized, anonymous ‘donor’ conception.  There was much more substance and meaning to his song/message than that one time reference to “Dr. Frankenstein” – it fits within the context.

  • jk105 says:

    donor conceived jk105 So you say it was her choice.  Therefore she deliberately decided to participate in a hit piece denigrating gay people.   Therefore she is worse than sour. 

    What does her “happens to be a practicing Christian” have to do with it.  I, too, am a practicing Christian who is morally repelled by her action.

    You ducked my other point.  The song referred to people as “Dr. Frankenstein.”  No matter how “hurt” that boy is, it is still a snarky term, no matter how much he has the right to feel the way he does.

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 donor conceived She wasn’t used – at all – that was her choice.  She also happens to be a practicing Christian.  The young man/boy who sings that powerfully moving song is hurting badly, frustrated and angry.  He has every right to feel that way – which many ‘donor’ conceived fully identify with.

  • jk105 says:

    donor conceived jk105
    The woman in the video allowed herself to be used in a right wing hit propaganda against gay people.   That is why I categorized it as “sour.”  

    Your song calls people “Dr. Frankenstein”.  That’s why I categorized it as “snarky.”

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 I’m simply sharing a couple of examples of the pain and loss involved when a genetic parent is intentionally excluded from a person’s life.  Pain and loss, not “snarky” and “sour”.

  • jk105 says:

    And La Lung, after reading the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, it absolutely nowhere states that it opposes same-sex marriage, it nowhere says it is exclusively man and woman.  You are reading your own bigotry into it!

    The right to marriage and family is enshrined in 
    http://www.claiminghumanrights.org/udhr_article_18.html#at17.
    The right is enshrined in Article 23 of the http://www.claiminghumanrights.org/ccpr.html:
    1. The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
    2. The right of men and women of marriageable age to marry and to found a family shall be recognized.
    3. No marriage shall be entered into without the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
    4. States Parties to the present Covenant shall take appropriate steps to ensure equality of rights and responsibilities of spouses as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution. In the case of dissolution, provision shall be made for the necessary protection of any children.

  • jk105 says:

    If it is only between men and women it excludes the natural marriage of same sex couples. That document is incomplete.

  • jk105 says:

    Because you are challenging donor conceived by both heterosexual and homosexual. From what I can make out you are not discriminating.

  • jk105 says:

    So you might want to refrain from snarky and sour.

  • Alice Lung says:

    If you read Article 7, you can find it says that the Child should be cared for by his or her parents after birth. This of course means biological parents. The context is the time soon after birth. There are other terms used in the Convention to refer to adopted parents. See Articles 18 and 19.
    Regarding natural marriage, you can read Article 16 of Universal Declaration of Human Rights.This article supports natural marriage between men and women.

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 Alice Lung 
    jk105, it’s very interesting that you are not challenging me “donor conceived” they way you are challenging others here.  Is there a reason for that?

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 donor conceived Alice Lung 
    “snarky” and “sour”, will get you…Trump.  Don’t do that.

  • donor conceived says:

    Alice Lung 
    And just for the record, so called “married heterosexuals” are the one’s who paved the way for this….married, divorced, remarried, divorced etc. and they are the primary users of so called ‘donor sperm and eggs’.  Not to mention all the heterosexuals who conceived outside of so called “marriage”.  This is just a result of the messes made by hetros…anything goes now.  Get it together people!

  • donor conceived says:

    Alice Lung 
    NEVER sabotage that for the child by intent or design – regardless of who the adults are “married” to.

  • jk105 says:

    Alice Lung So you admit that you are being dishonest.  The UN said absolutely nothing about gay families, and certainly didn’t use the term “natural marriage”–that’s your toxic propaganda.

  • donor conceived says:

    Alice Lung 
    Not any old mum and dad, YOUR mum and dad….

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 Alice Lung 
    This is about the importance of biological/genetic mothers, fathers,
    siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. – identity,
    psychological and spiritual well being – regardless of sexuality.  The
    reality is ‘marriage’ is now meaningless.  The USA never signed the UN
    Convention on the Rights of the Child, and the definition of the meaning
    of ‘parent’ is now in question.  Knowing a name(s) without meaningful
    relationships is throwing a bone, but a bone that many beg for.  It’s a
    sad state of affairs but it is what it is.  All we really have is
    principle, education and dna testing.

  • donor conceived says:

    jk105 Alice Lung 
    This is about the importance of biological/genetic mothers, fathers, siblings, grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. – identity, psychological and spiritual well being – regardless of sexuality.  The reality is ‘marriage’ is now meaningless.  The USA never signed the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, and the definition of the meaning of ‘parent’ is now in question.  Knowing a name(s) without meaningful relationships is throwing a bone, but a bone that many beg for.  It’s a sad state of affairs but it is what it is.  All we really have is principle, education and dna testing.

  • Alice Lung says:

    Of course they don’t because the UN supports natural marriage. This is best for children.
    Do you prefer to live in a fatherless or motherless family if you can live in a family with a mum and a dad?

  • jk105 says:

    Alice Lung Those articles don’t mention anything about gay parents–not a word!  
    Thank you for making it clear that you don’t know what you are writing about!

  • jk105 says:

    Alice Lung Those articles don’t mention anything about gay parents–not a word!  
    Thank you for making it clear that you don’t know what you are writing about!

  • Alice Lung says:

    lice Lung said
    http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/crc.aspx
    Articles 7, 9 and 18 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child protect the rights of children. Children should be taken care of by their biological parents after birth. Even they are separated from their parents, the have the right to see the those parents.

  • Alice Lung says:

    http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/crc.aspx
    Articles 7, 9 and 18 of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child protect the rights of children. Children should be taken care of by their biological parents after birth. Even they are separated from their parents, the have the right to see the those parents.

  • jk105 says:

    donor conceived jk105 Alice Lung

    All you have is a snarky song, a cartoon and a sour Youtube video.
    Scientists agree that children raised by same-sex couples are no worse off than children raised by parents of the opposite sex, according to a new study co-authored by a University of Oregon professor.
    The new research, which looked at 19,000 studies and articles related to same-sex parenting from 1977 to 2013, was released last week, and comes as the U.S. Supreme Court is set to rule by the end of this month on whether same-sex marriage is legal. 
    “Consensus is overwhelming in terms of there being no difference in children who are raised by same-sex or different- sex parents,” University of Oregon sociology professor Ryan Light said on Tuesday. 
    Light, who co-authored the study with Jimi Adams of the University of Colorado at Denver, said the study may be too late to affect the court’s ruling this month but he hopes it will have an impact on future cases. 
    “I hope we’ll see acceptance of gay marriage of the courts and by the public at large,” he said. 
    The studies, Light said, showed some disagreement among scientists on the outcome of same-sex parenting in the 1980s but it largely subsided in the 1990s, and a clear consensus had formed by 2000 that there is no difference between same-sex and different-sex parenting in the psychological, behavioral or educational outcomes of children. 
    “Across the board we find the iterative suggests there’s no significant differences,” Light said. “To our knowledge this is the most comprehensive analysis of this type on this issue.”

  • jk105 says:

    donor conceived jk105 Alice Lung Sorry she is incomplete, but she shouldn’t project her own inadequacies onto the thousands of kids who support their gay parents.   

    Her story is her own.  And if she really loved her mother, she wouldn’t allow herself to be used as propaganda in a right wing assault against gay people.

  • jk105 says:

    Alice Lung The testimony of thousands of children who support their gay parents proves your made up cartoon to be the fantasy of right wing scare-mongers.

  • Alice Lung says:

    https://youtu.be/MHnERR4eJqE
    The story “A Boy With Two Fathers” demonstrates how children in gay families are unfairly treated by their gay parents.

  • jk105 says:

    Bob Smith77654 jk105 LaurenGoldman

    Welcome to Planet Earth!

    The Supreme Court in a landmark decision ruled gay and lesbian couples have a constitutionally protected right to marry and that states must recognize those marriages, handing advocates a sweeping and historic victory that cements the legality of same-sex marriage nationwide.
    Thirty-seven states and the District of Columbia permitted same-sex marriage ahead of Friday’s 5-4 ruling in http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/04/27/with-same-sex-marriage-at-the-supreme-court-an-eye-on-the-next-lgbt-rights-battle, a case in which the justices considered questions related to gay marriage restrictions in four states. Justice Anthony Kennedy authored the majority’s opinion.

  • Bob Smith77654 says:

    jk105 LaurenGoldman At this point, there is no constitutional right to gay marriage.  The supreme court vacated the decision on DOMA.  That doesn’t make gay marriage constitutional; it reverts the decision to the states.  Like it or not, what Kim Davis did could only be called illegal if it were against the law in her state.

  • This is my answer to sperm banks all over the world who refuse to inform donor conceived people about their donors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMMrcDY_84
    Lyrics:
    Verse 1:
    Undercover for so long,
    what have i become?
    Empty, desolate I waste away in the bitterness.
    In the broken dreams
    in which i always seek my identity
    that you stole from me.
    What a nice design, Dr. Frankenstein!
    Indeterminate, unidentified.
    Pre-Chorus 1:
    Strangers for so long.
    Tell me where I belong.
    Chorus 1:
    I’m not gonna fall in line! (Who are you to own us all?)
    No I’m not gonna waive this right! (Always wondering what if i knew…)
    What if I knew…
    Verse 2:
    I’ve tried to let it go
    but it numbs me not to know.
    Yeah it numbs me! It haunts me!
    In the mirrors! In the diaries!
    All the compliments, the accomplishments
    never weighed as much as the silence…
    Pre-Chorus 2:
    …of uncertainty for so long, but i will hold on.
    Repeat Chorus 1
    Bridge:
    Who you really were – so familiar.
    To look into the eyes that look just like mine…
    Chorus 2:
    No I’m… I’m gonna chase this light! (all the way until the end!)
    I’m… I’m gonna win this fight! (no more wondering what if I knew)
    What if I knew (the truth)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuMMrcDY_84

  • jk105 says:

    Yes, booksnmore4you carved up the Bible into an instrument of hate. Thanks for pointing that out!

  • ying says:

    jk105 booksnmore4you wow pretty angry and hateful words

  • jk105 says:

    LaurenGoldman
    I will point out that you neglected to condemn Nikole Rice for calling gays perverts.

    Also I will point out that you neglected to condemn the heinous monster Kim Davis for using the brute force of government to deny gays their religious liberty and constitutional rights–just like a racist would use government to make blacks second class citizens.

    We are all sinners.  However, God made my Gay–homosexuality is not a sin.   Denigrating gays is the sin.

    God bless you too.

  • LaurenGoldman says:

    I love you aswell, but the lies that you have stated and the false position that you have placed me in is wrong. I pray for you as well and I love you enough to say that you are also a sinner just like every other homosexual and straight person out there. Don’t make yourself out to be a victim when you cant understand when you have shown a wrong doing to someone else. This is all I will have to say and I will be praying for you whatever your back round and life :) God bless you!

  • jk105 says:

    LaurenGoldman
    Nikole Rice above called gays a “perversion” and compared us to murderers.   Yet, you only commented on my posts.

    Your love is venom because you see nothing wrong with the heinous monster Kim Davis using the brute force of government to deny gays their religious liberty and constitutional rights.    

    I still love you as one of God’s children, even though you would molest the minds of gay kids with the disgusting idea that their humanity is a sin.  I love you enough to say that it is actually you who is the sinner.   And even though I am morally repelled by your hate, I would never use the brute force of government to deny you marriage rights.  You are the bigot. 

    I love you, but hate the sin of your bigotry.

  • LaurenGoldman says:

    I did not avoid ANY of your questions, if I did I would like you to tell me what I avoided. I told you that from what I saw no one called you perverted or a murderer and if they did then yes that was wrong of them. And yet you have shown much bigotry towards me…not one of your comments have been stated with out stating some form of malice or a harsh word in relation to me and my opinion. You have changed the party that you have been directed towards (me, racists, Kim Davis) multiple times. How is my love venom?

  • jk105 says:

    LaurenGoldman
    So Lauren Old Girl, calling someone perverted and comparing them to murders is not offensive!   You are a filthy liar!

    The heinous monster Kim Davis used her government job to deny gay couples their religious liberty and constitutional rights.  That is way different from “not encouraging them.”

    You dodged my questions, quite clearly.   
    So your “love” means it is okay to call me perverted and comparing me to a murderer.  However, I am a hater when I respond to such bigotry with anger!   Your love is venom.

    You see nothing wrong with the heinous monster using the brutal force of government  to deny gays their religious liberty.   Your love is venom.

    Yes,  you are just like a racist.   You worship depravity.

    I pray for your deformed soul.

  • LaurenGoldman says:

    I have taken everything that you have stated! And I did not avoid any of your points…I replied to them and simply brought them to a different light. None of the other commenters were offensive to you. You have made this illusion that I have avoided your questions, that I have shown bigotry, that I am using government to oppress you, and that other commenters have attacked you….non of those things have happened! In Kim Davis’s situation she did what she thought to be right. Her profession was in a legal position, if she had been a cake maker she would have refused to make the cake for their wedding if they had asked her. She simply did not encourage, or support that couples decision. I have not oppressed you in any way…you are trying to relate me and my opinion to rediculous things like being a racist and using government to oppress you. I would like to ask you a question, do you believe yourself to be a Christian?

  • Kate Craig says:

    Dear Millie,
    I would just like offer some encouragement about what you said and to commemorate your bravery for speaking up. Fatherlessness is an issue no matter what circumstances result in it. I am so glad that you seem to have healthy relationships with all three of your parents. I appreciate you speaking out on this issue.

  • jk105 says:

    LaurenGoldman
    So Lauren, you can dish it out, but you can’t take it.

    Yes, I love you, but it is your sin of bigotry I condemn.  Sometimes love is not what you want to hear.   

    I noticed you dodged my points.  Why?

    Other commenters called gays “perverted” and compared us to murders.  It is telling that you neglected to call them on their hate, but responded to my comments in response.   Very telling. 

    You claim to be not like a racist.  Racists used government to oppress blacks. So therefore you are morally repelled by the heinous monster Kim Davis who used to blunt force of government to deny gay couples their religious liberty and constitutional rights.   Right?  

    So are you repelled by the other commenters?  Are you repelled by Kim Davis? If not, you are just like a racist.

  • LaurenGoldman says:

    You are showing bigotry as well and when did I ever or did I ever state that I was using government to oppress homosexuals and the homosexual community? I am DEFINITELY a sinner, EVERYONE is a sinner! God did not make you gay. How am I breaking God’s commandment of loving all of his children when I have repeatedly stated that I do not hate but continue to love those who are homosexuals and in the homosexual community. Sometimes love is what you don’t want to hear!! When a friend sees something that I have done that is wrong and they tell me what I did was wrong. I am not going to tell them…you hater! You bigot! You were out for my best intentions but you still disagreed with me…therefore you hate me. NO! Disagreement is NOT hate!! It sometimes is humiliating or hurtful but it because they love me and know that I can be better than that situation or decision. God does the same thing to us…and I know he does not hate me.

  • jk105 says:

    LaurenGoldman Actually I don’t hate you, it is the sin of bigotry I hate.

    Other commenters called gays “perverted” and compared us to murders.  It is telling that you neglected to call them on their hate, but responded to my comments in response.   Very telling. 

    Yes the truth stings.  God made me Gay.  God blessed my same-sex marriage.  God did not put me on earth to silently suffer malicious denigration of my humanity.  You are entitled to your own opinion on this, but your opinion is not above criticism.  You are breaking God’s commandment to love ALL His children.  You are a sinner.   

    You claim to be not like a racist.  Racists used government to oppress blacks. So therefore you are morally repelled by the heinous monster Kim Davis who used to blunt force of government to deny gay couples their religious liberty and constitutional rights.   Right?

  • LaurenGoldman says:

    All of what you have said to any one of our comments has been said with anger and hate towards us. I have not called you or homosexuals any hateful names or related you to somwthin like a racists. All I have done is stated my opinion and what I know is truth. Sometimes the truth stings..apparently that’s my venom according to you. Yes truth hurts and if truth is venom then I would like to be dripping with it! I know I am not going to change your mind and you’re not going to change my mind but I can still state my opinion and understanding of God’s truth. I will pray for you! I don’t need to insult you by saying that i am going to “pray for your deformed soul”. Racists bluntly state that they dislike and “hate” those who they descriminate against and unlike us they DO hate them and they know it!

  • jk105 says:

    LaurenGoldman Actually you are a filthy liar.   Racists never thought they were haters either!  

    God made me Gay.   To say that my humanity is a sin is a disgusting message to give to Gay youth.   Your so-called “love” is dripping with venom.   

    So no, the God who blessed my same-sex marriage absolutely did not put me on earth to silently suffer the immoral denigration of my humanity by bigots like yourself.

  • LaurenGoldman says:

    God did not put us on earth, to listen to wrong doings and lies affiliated with the word of God and not stand up for our savior and his truth. We are not to be related to racists…simply because what WE say about homosexuals and the homosexual community is said with love! Just because it is not in support or agreement with them doesn’t mean that it is said with evil intent. Unlike racists we love those we are speaking to or about and we are not attacking them in any way other than stating our own pinion. Our opinion does not make us evil, our opinion makes us human. Everybody has an opinion and just because ours doesn’t match yours doesn’t mean that we should then be related to racists and haters.

  • jk105 says:

    And racists denigrated black people, but according to you we should not say it is hate?
    Calling my humanity a sin is hateful. God did not put me on earth to silently suffer such abuse.

  • Matt says:

    I don’t hate anyone, but God did not make you gay. You have a desire of homosexuality just as people have a desire for heterosexuality it is natural for you, but just because it is natural does not mean it is right. We naturally list, lie, hate. But we are called to layasidie these things. I know because I am saying homosexuality is a sin that liberals will label me as being hateful. But I am just expressing my view just like you I don’t call you God hating because you express your opinion. So please don’t call homophobes or Hateful people just because we disagree. After all we are all supposed to speak in love

  • jk105 says:

    booksnmore4you jk105
    The Bible even says that
    slaves are property. How can this be justified?
    Exodus 21: 20 and 21 says,
    “20”If a man
    strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall
    be punished.
    21″If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance
    shall be taken; (M) for he is his property.

    So do you sanction slavery, just as it is sanctioned in the slavery?   Or do you butcher the Bible, toss aside the bits you don’t like (pro slavery) and use the bits you like (supposed anti-gay) as a weapon to hurt people you hate?

    You worship depravity.
    I pray for your deformed soul.

  • jk105 says:

    booksnmore4you jk105 Actually you are projecting your own depravity onto me!  
    You willfully choose to embrace a pleasurable evil (anti-gay bigotry); you create in your own mind some system, some philosophy that makes your heinous choice to practice evil “right,” that “justifies” is, so as to in some minor way alleviate the pangs of conscience!  

    Thanks for clarifying that.

  • booksnmore4you says:

    jk105
    Romans 1: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world,[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1#fen-ESV-27935g] in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but theybecame futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened.22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
    24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
    26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
    28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

  • booksnmore4you says:

    jk105

  • jk105 says:

    @Nirmal Actually, we Christians are morally repelled by this woman’s disrespect towards her parents.   Jesus Christ said absolutely nothing about homosexuality, but he did command us to love all God’s children, which would include His gay ones!   God made me Gay!   God blessed my same-sex marriage.   You defame God.

  • jk105 says:

    Doug_mmm
    Hey Millie, you are a morally repellant young woman!  Christians respect and love their parents.  What a horrible child you grew up to be!

  • jk105 says:

    Nikole Rice
    You are talking about the God who created me Gay, the same God who commands you to love all His children–which would include the Gay ones.   Your monstrous insults against Gay people make you a poor example of a Christian.  That’s what you don’t want to hear.

  • Nikole Rice says:

    They don’t want to here it because Homosexuality is just the same as cheating, adultery, fornicating, etc. It is a sexual perversion and they don’t want to be told to stop because it is a sin, it is wrong. We all have urges that are morally wrong. When we are angry we boil in out thoughts of telling someone off real good or hurting them, and some people will actually go do it. Does that make it right? You feel deprived of sex from your partner so instead of talking about together you start having feelings for someone else and enjoy the butterflies in your tummy for them and end up cheating. We know that’s wrong right? So maybe having feelings for the same gender is also wrong. Sex and crime is glorified in our societies media and morals are becoming questionable. Evolution plays a key role in this because if we are all just animals than why not do whatever we want, right? Well look where that’s getting us.

  • Doug_mmm says:

    Hey Millie, you’re a fantastic young woman. May you be blessed in your journey through life. My parents were divorced when I was two and my father vanished from the scene. I know how you feel when you say you knew there was something missing re a father. I felt that too as I grew up.  God bless you Millie. 
    Hug across the internet. 
    Doug

  • Nirmal says:

    Dear Maggie
    We Christians love you and share with you your trauma. Praying that you find your true identity in Jesus Christ and be filled with unspeakable joy and indescribable true heavenly peace.
    Nirmal Nathan, India.

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