Paul Dans is the director of The Heritage Foundation‘s 2025 Presidential Transition Project—colloquially known as Project 2025— and has cleared the air on much of the left’s lies regarding the group. In an appearance on The Culture War with Tim Pool, Dans bluntly addressed the outlandish claims made against the independent presidential transition project, noting the subject has “…caught lightning because it is a threat.”
ANOTHER DEMOCRAT HOAX.
“Here’s the thing, the thing with Project 2025, this is now the subject of one of the greatest hoaxes of all time,” Dans argues, continuing: “Our friends on the left move from hoax to hoax, and whether it was Russiagate or then into the vaccines and COVID, Ukraine, or whatever is the next thing, you know President Trump has certainly been the target of every hoax.”
He adds: “But here, with Project 2025, a lot of what people say is not actually in Project 2025.”
The Heritage Foundation attorney notes that some corporate media outlets and left-wing activists have claimed the group is looking to cut social security, for instance. However, Dans counters, stating: “We don’t even have a chapter on social security. That’s not even in the [policy] book.”
RESTORING DEMOCRACY.
Addressing left-wing attacks claiming the group is plotting an authoritarian takeover, the Project 2025 director meticulously picks apart the propaganda. “The federal government right now has 2.2 million full-time workers,” Dans argues, adding: “The president appoints a sliver—4,000. If you do the math, that’s one to 500. That’s not exactly an army.”
“But to be clear, it really is wanting the president to be back in charge of the executive branch. Why is that?” Dans posits to the Pool and his co-hosts, telling them: “Because we vote for the president, and it’s ultimately about putting us [the American people] back in charge. This is really a plan to restore democracy.”
He emphasizes that the goal is to make the executive branch accessible to those who want to put in the work and make the government better. “It’s a call for conservatives, libertarians, really people who just don’t accept the status quo and think we can do better to get into government,” Dans says.
REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.
According to Project 2025, the federal government—as it has increased in size and become more centralized in Washington, D.C.—has lost touch with the average American’s needs and concerns.
“We see here in Washington that it’s not really representative of the whole. You have a very cosmopolitan group. The typical federal worker votes on the order or 95 percent for the Democrat Party,” Dans argues before continuing: “So you’re already going into a building where the people are ideologically opposed to your agenda, and how do you manage that.”
He relates his own experience facing bureaucratic dysfunction and internal opposition from career government employees during the first Trump presidential administration. “What we’re doing really is demystifying the process to get to Washington,” Dans says, adding that Project 2025 is “…a recruiting tool to say this government is yours as much as it is anyone else.”
THE ADMINISTRATIVE STATE.
Pushing back against the Democratic Party and their corporate media allies’ misconceptions regarding a mythical fourth ‘administrative state’ branch of government, Dans cautions that power has been wrested from the people and placed instead with unelected bureaucrats.
“And that’s what we’re really working with. Trying to basically say this whole system, this whole progressive architecture, this whole matrix, was built for the express reason of taking government and power out of the hands of the people and putting it in the hands of a group of so-called experts,” Dans contends.
RELATION TO TRUMP?
Settling the most common false claim by the corporate media and the left, Dans firmly says the group has no relation to former President Donald J. Trump or his 2024 presidential campaign. “The number one lie that they tell is that this is Trump’s Project 2025. It is not,” Dans tells Pool. He adds: “So we started this up three years ago… and it was a coming together of the conservative movement.”
Again, the Project 2025 director emphasizes that the goal of the group is to serve as a “mechanism to get good people to Washington.”
“The left does the same. All of the Biden plans come from various think tanks. CAP [Center for American Progress], there’s an entire litany of them,” Dans notes.
DEMS OUT OF OTHER OPTIONS.
Dans surmises that Kamala Harris and former Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden are focusing on The Heritage Foundation and Project 2025 because their other lines of attack against Trump and the MAGA movement haven’t worked. “They kind of ran out of their bag of tricks,” he contends, adding that the attacks really started up after the Biden-Harris government’s failed lawfare campaign against former President Trump.
“These are attacks on democracy,” he says regarding the lawfare campaign before adding: “With respect to Project 2025, it is more ‘Projection 2025…It is all deflection.”
Dans concludes: “The reality is that they’re going to mischaracterize things. What they’ve done with Project 2025 is full-on misinformation.”
